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"summary": "Julie Zhuo, former VP of Design at Facebook and bestselling author of The Making of a Manager, discusses her 13-year journey from IC designer to design leadership. She shares candid insights on imposter syndrome, the importance of embracing uncomfortable situations for growth, and how writing became a tool for clarity and managing vulnerability. The conversation covers product thinking development, the transition from corporate leadership to founding Sundial (a product analytics company), and practical frameworks for product reviews, design critiques, and hiring designers. Julie emphasizes the role of continuous learning, customer empathy, and the balance between intuition and data in building great products.",
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"Three-layer product validation: value, ease of use, delight",
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"Founder-customer relationship as foundation for product intuition",
"Design feedback synthesis using jobs-to-be-done",
"Management skill-building as IC before formal promotion"
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"title": "Career Journey from IC Designer to VP of Design",
"summary": "Julie's path from discovering digital art through MS Paint to joining Facebook as an IC designer and eventually becoming VP of Design for the Facebook app. Discusses early discovery of design as a profession and progression through three chapters: learning design fundamentals, managing teams, and scaling leadership.",
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"summary": "Julie shares her experience with imposter syndrome during her first 7-8 years at Facebook despite her rapid rise. Discusses how being in uncomfortable situations coincides with intense growth periods and provides advice on embracing uncertainty as a learning opportunity.",
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"title": "Evolution of Writing: From Long-Form to Twitter",
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"summary": "Critical advice on feedback delivery: identify and articulate the problem rather than jumping to solutions. Emphasizes respecting the designer's expertise while helping them understand your perspective.",
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"text": "If you're going to do anything new for the first time, how are you ever going to feel totally comfortable, totally prepared? Every time there's something new that you hadn't encountered before, it's always going to be a little bit rough.",
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"text": "One of the things I learned is it's okay to ask for help. It's okay to reach out to people who both may be going through the same things you're going or maybe are step or two ahead of you in the journey.",
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"text": "By just sharing what the problem is, by sharing the load, we're all going to collectively come up with better solution. This is true even as the head of a department or a founder.",
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"text": "When you're at a large company, a lot is taken care of for you. When you get back to being a founder, it's yourself and your founder dealing with everything from taxes to incorporation to thousand little decisions.",
"context": "Contrasting the humbling experience of early-stage startups versus corporate work",
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"text": "Working with folks at various stages, including new grads and early career folks, required me to really change a lot of how I manage. What they need and how to best support them is really different than what you would do with a director.",
"context": "Julie's discovery that management approach must adapt dramatically based on career stage of reports",
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"text": "As a manager, I develop my eye, but not my hand. I learned to be a good critiquer of design, but because I stopped practicing design, the limits of what I can actually produce became evident.",
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"text": "I approach my writing as letters to myself. This is the framework, the advice that I need to give myself that I need to really do better. Writing became for me a way to clarify my train of thought.",
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"text": "What helped me continue the writing habit is I always did it for me. I always did it because I felt that there was a lot that I had to gain from it. The connection with readers was a wonderful side benefit.",
"context": "Distinguishing intrinsic motivation from external validation in sustaining writing",
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"text": "Writing for me is just get the words out. It is about sit your butt in the seat and just do it, get a word count goal. I actually like word count goal even better than time goal because sometimes you can spend 30 minutes and still produce just a sentence.",
"context": "Julie's practical approach to writing discipline, influenced by NaNoWriMo",
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"text": "Most management books were written by CEOs who had been leading for years or management consultants, but there wasn't much for the completely new manager who wasn't on some ladder and just one day got dropped and asked to support a couple people.",
"context": "Identifying the market gap that led to The Making of a Manager",
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"text": "You can know the theory because it makes sense, but it's so hard to just actually put it in practice. It's so hard to do these things every single day because they're counterintuitive.",
"context": "Julie on the gap between knowing management theory and executing it",
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"text": "Management is an art as anything else. A lot of it is about learning about who I am, what am I good at, what am I not good at, how can I be more honest and authentic to my own strengths and weaknesses.",
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"text": "I recognized I had a tendency to ramble and wanted to get better at in the moment communicating more clearly and being sharper. Twitter forced me to strip away ornamentation and focus on core idea.",
"context": "Using format constraints as a tool to develop specific communication skills",
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"text": "Find an angle that's going to work for you. If you find yourself writing for your audience or wanting likes, that's a really hard barrier to overcome. But if you write because you're working on a particular key skill, that's intrinsically motivating.",
"context": "Top advice for people wanting to start writing",
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"text": "Everyone kind of feels like they can do anything for 30 days. You can do anything for three months if you just commit to doing it once a week. It doesn't have to be forever.",
"context": "Making habit formation feel achievable through time-bound challenges",
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"text": "Product thinking starts by observing yourself. Every time you use something or have a new experience, take the moment to reflect on your emotion, assumption, confusion at every step.",
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"text": "The second step is then observe and share those observations with somebody else through discussions about products, dissecting things, and critiquing. This helps you learn about micro decisions and their impact.",
"context": "Building product sense through group discussion",
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"text": "Being really deep in the data and trying to infer causal relationships through AB tests, looking at patterns, helps validate hypotheses about product and develop instinct for what works.",
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"text": "Design and data aren't at odds with each other. One helps confirm assumptions of the other. Data can't tell you exactly what leaps of faith to make to start something new, but surely can validate whether assumptions are true.",
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"text": "The more you know your customers, the more you can close your eyes and imagine everything about their life and what they're doing, probably the better you're going to do at building something that meaningfully solves a problem.",
"context": "Core principle for founder intuition reliability",
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"text": "If you're building in a domain where you weren't the target audience, you really need to spend a lot of time with customers immersing yourself or actually trying to do the job yourself.",
"context": "When founder intuition breaks down and research becomes necessary",
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"text": "For SaaS companies in particular, you might have done the job at one company, but you probably didn't do it at 20 or 50 companies, and you're selling to many so it's critical to spend time interviewing customers.",
"context": "Specific to SaaS founders who can't rely on their own experience",
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"text": "I really believe that it's never a bad thing, it's always a better thing to have more feedback. Get feedback in different sessions with different groups of people rather than one big review meeting.",
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"text": "Everyone is going to have something to contribute to the product because everyone has a different perspective. The right answer isn't to pick one and ignore the others.",
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"text": "The most important job is synthesizing all feedback and understanding what really matters. Be absolutely clear on who is the target audience and what is the most important problem you're solving.",
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"text": "First, validate whether the product is valuable and solving the core problem. If not, disregard other feedback until this is certain. Once validated, focus on ease of use. Only then focus on delight.",
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"text": "Most important feedback is to identify and make clear what is the problem, not to jump straight to proposing a solution. Solutions have hidden assumptions you should state the underlying problem.",
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"text": "When you go straight to suggesting solutions, you take power away from designers who should be empowered to come up with the right solution. They know the problem longest and best.",
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"text": "When everyone is aligned on the problem, we can all collectively come up with better solutions and rate them against each other. But jumping straight to brainstorming loses important alignment.",
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"text": "Make sure your manager is aware of your management aspirations and what skills you need. Then work together on a plan to practice those skills even while still an IC.",
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"text": "A lot of management skills you can practice as an IC: mentoring interns, being an onboarding buddy, helping improve processes, leading small projects. You don't need the title to practice.",
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"text": "Sometimes you can't become a manager because your company isn't growing and there's no role available. Do all the right things and have the skills but if the opportunity isn't there, consider moving to a different environment.",
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"text": "Designers want to work with people who care about design. Demonstrate commitment to design through investment in quality, either with agencies, contractors, or VC funding for V1.",
"context": "First thing founders should do when hiring designers",
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"text": "Speak to and align with values of design. Be people-centric, have good taste, understand design tools, nomenclature, and culture. If foreign to you, do research and immerse yourself.",
"context": "How to make yourself attractive to designer candidates",
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"id": "i36",
"text": "Ask designers to teach you about their domain and form relationships. Even if it doesn't yield immediate hires, it pays off long-term because you'll be known as a company that genuinely cares.",
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"explicit_text": "I remember in spectacular fashion, I think this was in 2008 or '09, we had a string of failures, big kind of launches that were failures, and I think it was because we reached the end of our intuition for the user base at that particular moment.",
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"explicit_text": "I feel this right now for myself. I'm building an analytics product. I was never a data analyst. I understand the outside, the value of data, but I never did the job, and therefore, what I really needed to do was just spend a lot of time with data scientists immersing or actually just trying to do the job myself.",
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"explicit_text": "It was around I think the January timeframe. Right? So, when the new year came, I was like, 'Okay, here's an idea. What if I just did something,' that at the time seemed really scary to me which was put my opinion out there on the internet and just do it, just do it for a year. Okay? My goal was post one thing every single week.",
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"explicit_text": "I have four unpublished novels just collecting dust. They're not very good. I can say that now with a lot more objectivity. But I did that, and I would participate in this program called NaNoWriMo every year which later I was fortunate enough to be on the board for a number of years.",
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"explicit_text": "A publisher reached out and they were like, 'You know, we had some ideas about the fact that you're writing really, especially the part about for new managers, your advice for new managers or for people new to leadership, it really seems like it strikes a chord for that particular audience, and we have some ideas.'",
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"explicit_text": "I remember I work with a number of colleagues who are just so good at this. Right? There will be some really complex topic, this big product thing that we're trying to figure out, and in the moment, they would go and they would say, 'Okay, I see. This is what the problem is. The problem is one, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, two, blah, blah, blah, three. Right?' Everybody like, 'Yeah, that's amazing.'",
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"Facebook",
"executive communication",
"clarity",
"enumeration",
"leadership",
"communication skills"
],
"lesson": "Observing and admiring specific communication skills in colleagues (crisp enumeration of complex problems) can become a target for deliberate skill development",
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"id": "ex9",
"explicit_text": "I love Eugene Wei's writing. I love Kevin Kwak. I always learn something because they take these apps like Figma or TikTok or whatever it is, and then they really go very, very deep with their own observations, what works, what patterns do we see across different apps that are successful.",
"inferred_identity": "Eugene Wei, Kevin Kwak (product analysts)",
"confidence": "explicit",
"tags": [
"Eugene Wei",
"Kevin Kwak",
"product analysis",
"deep dives",
"Figma",
"TikTok",
"pattern recognition",
"Twitter writers"
],
"lesson": "Learning product sense comes from consuming and studying deep product analyses by others. Reading expert product dissections helps pattern matching and intuition building",
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"id": "ex10",
"explicit_text": "Everybody who worked at the company was either a college dropout or a recent college grad, and we were building a product for college students. I mean, we were the perfect... It was like for us by us. We understood exactly what this audience wanted.",
"inferred_identity": "Facebook early days",
"confidence": "explicit",
"tags": [
"Facebook",
"college students",
"founder-customer fit",
"early stage",
"target audience alignment",
"user understanding"
],
"lesson": "Perfect founder-customer alignment (being the user yourself) enables strong product intuition without extensive research in the early stage",
"topic_id": "topic_12",
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},
{
"id": "ex11",
"explicit_text": "If you've identified these different skills, then find opportunities to start to practice and be able to grow those skills. For example, oftentimes, a really great... If you're a part of a company that's growing and has a summer internship program, awesome. Can you go in and sign up and mentor and intern and manage an intern. Right? It's a very sort of small way of doing that and getting started.",
"inferred_identity": "Generic growth company example",
"confidence": "inferred",
"tags": [
"internship mentoring",
"management practice",
"IC skill building",
"hiring",
"leadership development",
"growing company"
],
"lesson": "Management skills can be practiced at small scale through mentoring interns, providing stepping stones to larger management roles without requiring formal promotion",
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},
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"id": "ex12",
"explicit_text": "Here's another example. If you're at a growing company and new people are joining and you might work with your manager to say, 'Hey, let me be this person's onboarding buddy. Let me be responsible for helping them get up to speed over the first one or two weeks.'",
"inferred_identity": "Generic growth company",
"confidence": "inferred",
"tags": [
"onboarding",
"mentorship",
"IC responsibilities",
"management practice",
"leadership development",
"organizational growth"
],
"lesson": "Onboarding buddy roles provide low-stakes opportunities to develop mentorship and people management skills before formal promotion",
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"line_end": 350
},
{
"id": "ex13",
"explicit_text": "designers want to work with people who care about design. They don't want to be like, 'Hey, you're going to toss me some spec, and then I have to come up with a thing, and then I toss it over the engineer.' So, the first thing you could do is demonstrate a commitment to design.",
"inferred_identity": "Designer hiring",
"confidence": "inferred",
"tags": [
"designer hiring",
"design culture",
"founder values",
"design investment",
"team dynamics",
"design respect"
],
"lesson": "Designers select organizations based on whether leadership genuinely values design. Demonstrating commitment to design quality attracts better talent",
"topic_id": "topic_17",
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},
{
"id": "ex14",
"explicit_text": "are you working with a good agency, or you have venture capital funding and you're thinking about what to invest in, are you working with someone on a contract basis just to build a really wonderful marketing side, or to focus on even the V1 of your product being something that shows that this is something you want to invest in.",
"inferred_identity": "Startup founder hiring designers",
"confidence": "inferred",
"tags": [
"startup hiring",
"design investment",
"agencies",
"contract designers",
"product quality",
"founder priorities",
"V1 design"
],
"lesson": "Founders signal their design commitment through investment choices: hiring agencies, using contractor designers, or funding quality V1 design before hiring full-time designers",
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},
{
"id": "ex15",
"explicit_text": "Go and study it. Go and interview designers that work at companies. Go and try and follow the top designers on Twitter. I mean, just immerse yourself in a bit of that culture and really get to understand what great designers value.",
"inferred_identity": "Design community on Twitter and at companies",
"confidence": "inferred",
"tags": [
"design community",
"Twitter",
"designer interviews",
"design culture",
"founder education",
"hiring preparation"
],
"lesson": "Non-designers seeking to hire designers should educate themselves about design values and culture through interviews and following design leaders",
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},
{
"id": "ex16",
"explicit_text": "My product is called Sundial. The website doesn't give you that much. It's fairly high level, but it is sundial.so.",
"inferred_identity": "Sundial analytics product",
"confidence": "explicit",
"tags": [
"Sundial",
"analytics",
"product analytics",
"Julie Zhuo founder",
"startup",
"data"
],
"lesson": "Julie's current startup focuses on making product analytics accessible to companies of all sizes, addressing the vision of democratizing data-driven decision making",
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